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I love the Peaceful Exit podcast with host Sarah Cavanaugh–thoughtful, generous, provocative conversations about our mortality. In this episode, she and I speak about what a “peaceful exit” might look like, and how we might continue to show up even when a death is anything but peaceful. We talk about poetry, metaphor, paradox, the complexities of going back to a place where a loved one died, and I read many poems–most from my newest book “The Unfolding,” including some I have not read for audiences before. You can listen to the episode here, or anywhere you listen to podcasts.