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What beautiful surprise to find my poem “Perhaps It Would Eventually Erode, But” discussed in such a thoughtful, mindful, truth seeking conversation between Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn. They explore the shoulds, the very subtle longing to control, the impact on our creativity if we stop efforting, the willingness to trust a process to become ourselves–it’s thrilling! Visit their beautiful series, Third Space, and the podcast “Turning Toward Life” in which every week they discuss poems for half an hour and share a fresh view on how we choose to live.